The first two that took the natori went to Japan, but I couldn’t go with them. But then my teachers had already passed away but then her daughter was there, so her daughter took my place and went with them. And they had their test in Japan, and then they got their natori names and they came back. The third one, the “Iemoto” (Japanese: head master) was visiting New York and “sō-ke”(Japanese: head of school), both of them, so they gave her a test in New York and they said, “Oh, yeah, she’s good enough”, so she said we’ll sent you the certificate from Japan. So she sent the certificate from Japan. I had their ceremony, more or less, their ceremony with the sa-ke going around, although it was water ‘cause we all don’t drink sa-ke. And we had it at the Buddhist temple, and the Buddhist minister there gave us a nice talk. It was nice, and she got her name, so. The first two were “Sahotae” and “Sahotoyo”, you know, from name from “Saho(mi)”. And then the last one, her name was “Tomie”. She’s only half Japanese. Her father was some other… her mother was Hawaiian also, Hawaiian sansei. And her name was Tomie. So, I took the “To” away, and got her “-miye” in from my “Sa-“ and my “-mi” and just changed the middle name, character, so she got “Samie”.